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October 30, 2007

ICND1, ICND2, and CCNA Exam Review

Alright test-takers...The November 6th date is approaching quickly and the old INTRO/ICND exam path is due to expire. I've been working on three new books for Exam Cram for the new CCENT/CCNA certification path and have taken the new ICND1, ICND2, and CCNA exams. While I hate "brain dumps" of tests (I think it completely devalues the certification and the intelligence of the person taking the exam), I do like having general study guidelines before walking into an exam blindly. So, for those of you preparing to attack these new exams, here's what I have found...

ICND1 (90 Minutes, 50-60 Questions)
- Subnetting, Subnetting, Subnetting: You've got to be a subnetting superstar to pull off may of the questions.
- Sim City: Many simulations / testlets that really test the full scope of your knowledge on a topic. They also have a new simulation style that has not been on Cisco exams previously where you have many self-containing windows that you can resize and place around the screen to your liking. Network Diagrams, multiple switch/router connections. I was impressed!
- General feel: I personally thought this exam was more difficult than ICND2. It's one of those tests where I walked away thinking, "if you REALLY don't know how networks work, you won't pass that exam." Good job on this one Cisco!

ICND2 (75 Minutes, 45-55 Questions)
- Troubleshooting Central: Many of the questions were focused on fixing broken networks. Understanding what information your show commands display is extremely helpful.
- NAT Rules the World: With NAT becoming a critical piece of nearly any network, Cisco has added more and more NAT syntax to the CCNA-realm. You must master NAT command-line implementations and troubleshooting before taking on this exam.
- General feel: This test definitely went faster than ICND1 and required a deeper understanding of the topics (thus the plethora of troubleshooting questions).

The New CCNA All-in-One (90 Minutes, 50-60 Questions)
- SPEED Central: This exam had many of the same questions I encountered in ICND1/ICND2, but they were the more difficult, time-consuming questions. You've got to know your stuff and be able to do it quickly.
- General feel: Tough all-in-one exam. Not as many simulations, but the few I did get were very difficult. They took an "almost CCIE-like" feel of restricting how you can do things. For example, you might be required to gather information about a device, but the simulation disables the "show run" command so you have to be more intuitive to the information displayed by other show commands.

Hopefully this gives you a good idea of what you're getting into when pursuing the CCENT and CCNA certifications! Good luck!

Posted by JC at October 30, 2007 5:46 AM

Comments

The most important thing about using these tools, is they teach you how to take exams.

That is to say, there are lots of little traps examiners setup for the unwary, and even though you may know your subject back to front, if you misread or misunderstand the question, which is very easy to do if you are not used to looking at scenario based multiple choice questions, it is very easy to slip up and choose what was the technically correct answer in your mind, but not the answer the exam/question is looking for.

So although these types of services are evil, they are a necessary evil, since its the only way to practice taking the tests, without it costing hundreds of dollars a throw.

BTW, from what I have seen, some of these brain dump services are not very good on the technical aspects, if you know your stuff, and you will see plenty of errors, where you will go, "no, that is just plain wrong" especially where you see the explanation telling you the answer you wanted to select, but the answer they said is right, doesn't match their own explanation, or even better, questions that obviously require an accompanying diagram, but no diagram, or diagrams with no information, or the best of the lot, it tells you the answer is Serial 1, except Serial 1 was not even one of the options.

So yes, I hate them to, but what else can you do?

Posted by: Shaun at October 31, 2007 10:40 PM

:(

As long as you proved it's passable. :)

Posted by: Larry at November 4, 2007 10:30 PM

Really helpful tips. Thanks a lot. I look forward to taking my CCNA exam in one sitting this year. It will be hard but I'm using a lot of different techniques to help me. Sybex's CCNA Sixth Edition guide is really helpful. It has a lot of labs, questions, and practice exams that are helpful.

Posted by: SGee at November 18, 2007 8:53 AM

Hi Jeremy,

I 'am looking for fast way 15 seconds to find the subnet address from the ip address and subnet mask

thanks

Posted by: rachid at December 26, 2007 3:38 AM

For class C networks Suppose IP adress is AAA.BBB.CCC.DDD/E
1 - 32 - E = x (1 sec)
2 - y = x power 2 (1sec)
3 - z = | last octed in the ddress/y | , (interger value) (2sec)
4 - subnet address or network adress is AAA.BBB.CCC.z (1 sec)

this will be 5 secounds

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Posted by: Natasha at May 11, 2008 10:43 AM

Thanks for sharing Cisco test question.

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Posted by: Nicola at May 19, 2008 1:19 AM

Hi Jeremy,
Just passed the ICND2. The CBT nuggets was really useful and I breezed through ICND1. This probably gave me too much confidence and my first attempt at ICND2 was short by 100 marks.
Undaunted (!) I bought the Exam Cram practice questions for CCNA and worked through that as well. (That is by JC too BTW.)
My point is that a single source for the breadth of knowledge required at CCNA was not enough for me. I also setup a small lab at home - 2 routers, 2 switches and 2 PC's.

Many thanks for for your help!! And now where next - CCNP or CCSP??

Posted by: Brian at June 27, 2008 6:27 AM

Hello Jeremy,
Yipee! I took my first Cisco exam today - CCENT - and Failed! I landed a 717 on the exam (needed 804) and believe that I failed it due to my nerves and forgetting 1 simple command! - show cdp neighbor -
I also think I forgot to save 2 simm's to the startup config! Oh well, there's always next week and another $125. My test consisted of only 40 questions.

I hope to see you in December when I audit ICND2. Dale was my instructor this week for the ICND1 audit and was great instructor, very knowledgeable. I am headed to the bookstores tomorrow to find your CCENT exam cram. Thanks for all of the good info!

Posted by: KBrezina at October 3, 2008 11:33 PM

Ok, so the second times a charm. 985 on the ICND 1 exam. Now onward and upward!

Posted by: Kevin Brezina at October 17, 2008 7:22 PM

Took ICND1 exam today and passed with a 955. You have to know subnetting cold for this otherwise dont bother. Wendel Odom's ICND1 book and the Boson Exam Sim used extensively. Now on to ICND 2.

Posted by: Tom Kristiansen at December 8, 2008 6:24 PM

Hello Jeremy, Passed ICND1 today with 925, just got to say that CBT Nuggets ROCK !!!!!

You've got to know subnetting inside out, back to front and upside down in your sleep to pass this test, loads of sims and testlets that proved quite a challenge.

Can't wait till I'm ready for ICND2 now.

Many, many thanks

Posted by: Tony Collier at December 15, 2008 11:06 AM

hey Jeremy

i took the CCNA exam last month and got through fist time. To tell the truth what you wrote here about the exam made me a little worried about taking it directly with out going for the ICND routs. But i didn't want to drag it for 2 exams. so i did it anyways. But it was good i think your words made me take the whole thing really seriously and study a lot more. And thank you for the CBT nuggets!

Posted by: dee at December 27, 2008 1:35 AM

hey

i am looking for CCNA v 4 0 discovery the qustion and if it is possible send me also the icnd1 and icnd2 qustion and answer pls pleasss hurry i need them

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Posted by: ingo at February 1, 2009 11:50 AM

Hello,
I just passed my CCNA exam today and I am feeling great. This was my second attempt. I got 860/1000. The passing grade was 825, I guess I squeaked by. I had two years configuring Nortel switches and routers.Next 2 months I will work towards my ccnp.

Posted by: zimeel at February 13, 2009 6:15 PM

Do the calculations by rachid look right? They don't seem correct to me.

Posted by: vronp at March 15, 2009 12:56 PM

the only thing i dont understand or like is that we cant go back and double check any of our answers even if we had enough time.... why is that and do you think its fair?

Posted by: ashton at May 16, 2009 7:43 PM

Can someone tell me if there were many question on MAC floding and filtering?
ICND1 Prep test that comes with the Official Cert Guide/Odom is full of those questions i would say about 75%.
Were these question in ICND1 or ICND 2 test?

Thanks....

Posted by: Siki at May 20, 2009 7:30 AM

The Cisco Academy stuff is nothing like the CCENT/CCNA ICND1 book. I'm in the Cisco Academy and when I read the real Cisco book my mind feels like its going to explode. I have to come up with a different study method, I'm just having trouble retaining info.

Posted by: Shaun Harris at June 18, 2009 6:50 PM

can anybody tell me how much i have to pay in pounds for my ICND1 Exam

Posted by: adnan at June 20, 2009 12:04 AM

Hello everyone,
First of all thank You Jeremy for amazing CBT videos, it helped me a lot on my exam. I took the composite CCNA test and passed it with >95% score. My overall impression is: time - tbh I didn't feel the pressure at all, maybe because of the extra 30 minutes for non english speaking people, although I finished like 25 minutes earlier anyway, with reading all questions 3-4 times and calculating stuff multiple times just to be sure it's correct. Simulations ? - I got the toughest ones including most advanced configuration, anyway I was prepared well and mastered CLI in my homelab, so I kinda rushed through those. As for the test questions, they are pretty tricky ! - tricky in a way, that the first impression is usually the wrong one, because all answears are very very similar and it takes a moment of reflection to catch the diffrences and select correct one. If you ask me I was like 100% sure about every single one of my answears and I had a feeling of understanding all the problems very good, though I must have sliped on couple of test questions and it's realy realy easy to make a mistake, even if you know stuff. Lots of subnetting skills required aswell, and at least a couple of days practice on binaries and vlsm designing is always nice if you think about this examination. Most of the questions include subnetting skills in some way. Once again big thanks for You Jeremy and your cool teaching skills.

Posted by: Tom at August 26, 2009 3:04 AM

CCNA 640-802 single test format design problem - take test in your own risk. Beware!

I failed the 2nd times for CCNA combined test days ago (640-802) taken in Sydney under Pearson Vue test center. The complaint I am forwarding is pointing to the format or style of the exam. There are two very serious mistakes in the design of the format or structure that led to failure consequence as following:

1. One cannot either skip or return to the question if one has been thinking too long and want to leave it later for review. 640-802 I was taking twice and failed does not have this "review" option.
(This has been confirmed by staff at Pearson Vue in Sydney Centre I was taking the test.)

2. There is no question number in each question but only timer to count down to zero; only the total number of tests shown somewhere in the user acceptance page. That is not enough for candidates. Why? because without question number one is unable to predict and workout the best strategy to move on with respect to time left vs number of questions remain. I myself put an analogy to this as "one could not see the light in the other end of the tunnel. I am just keep walking in the dark."
If question number is clearly shown, I will predict "correctly" how long I should put in the rest of the test by dividing the total time left by the number of questions left to project the best time to move on. 640-802 exam doesn't have question number shown means disastrous to time management.
That is the cause of my first and second exams failure despite my score closed to pass mark in my second test better than the first time and the failure is due to your format design mistake.

I dare to say I'll never retake CCNA 640-802 again should this problem not readdressed to and resolved by Cisco

Claude YU

Posted by: Claude Yu at August 29, 2009 1:48 AM

Hi Jeremy,
Thanks to your CBT CCNA videos and Sybex CCNA 6th Edition i passed through my CCNA today with 860/1000 points in Accra, Ghana.I'm sure i could have done much better if i had taken my time to re-read the questions but the way you kept on emphasizing on speed and difficulty of the test made me quake in my boots a bit and i went through the test in just about and hour with a whole hour left because of the extra 30mins for non-English speakers.But all the same i think it is a good test of core networking concepts and it is a very good certification.Going on to CCDA/CCNP (I NEED a lab!!!) Kudos to CBT Nuggets!!!! You guys are the BEST!!

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Posted by: groupshoes at October 27, 2009 6:03 PM

I want to take this opportunity to say that I'm really enjoying going through your CCENT CBT Nuggets videos. I used to be a teacher whilst living in Japan and I i feel that you are not only skilled and knowledgeable technically at understanding and configuring Cisco systems but you're also a really good presenter and have a great passion for what you do. Your passion is infective as I found myself last night teaching my father, a skilled electrical contractor, how to do subnetting and was also to spark his interest in networking. In more recent years laying CAT5 in buildings has become a standard part of his job but he never understood what happens when the other guys come in and divide the network and configure the hardware. I've paid for other online courses that I've gotten through but they have not been to the same degree of satisfaction that I've taken from watching your videos.

Anyway along with praising your work I also wanted to ask you a question. In your nuggets videos you are recommending a SOHO router 851/871. This router is nowhere to be found these days I don't think (Especially in Australia). What do you recommend these days? Wifi, SOHO, with IOS is pretty much all I need i guess.

Thanks for everything, keep up the good work!

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Posted by: Isaac Nylen at December 28, 2009 7:00 AM

Hello Jeremy,
Studding your videos CCENT about switching.
I have a PC and a C2924XL in a room without internet.
Can I connect them together??
- If no, please tell me what I need to add.
-If yes I tried and:
Got this switch (used),cleaned up the old config and want to connect it with my pc (only).So prepaired a straight through cable, plugged to the nic, assigned a static IP 192.168.2.100

On the switch....
Switch#sh run
Building configuration...

Current configuration:
!
version 12.0
no service pad
service timestamps debug uptime
service timestamps log uptime
no service password-encryption
!
hostname Switch
!
enable secret 5 $1$AJr3$t62/AblbiCR4LtYFWNOPx0
!
!
!
!
!
!
ip subnet-zero
!
!
!
interface FastEthernet0/1
!
interface FastEthernet0/2
!
interface FastEthernet0/3
!
interface FastEthernet0/4
!
interface FastEthernet0/5
!
interface FastEthernet0/6
!
interface FastEthernet0/7
!
interface FastEthernet0/8
!
interface FastEthernet0/9
!
interface FastEthernet0/10
!
interface FastEthernet0/11
!
interface FastEthernet0/12
!
interface FastEthernet0/13
!
interface FastEthernet0/14
!
interface FastEthernet0/15
!
interface FastEthernet0/16
!
interface FastEthernet0/17
!
interface FastEthernet0/18
!
interface FastEthernet0/19
!
interface FastEthernet0/20
!
interface FastEthernet0/21
!
interface FastEthernet0/22
!
interface FastEthernet0/23
!
interface FastEthernet0/24
!
interface VLAN1
ip address 192.168.2.101 255.255.255.0
no ip directed-broadcast
no ip route-cache
!
ip default-gateway 192.168.2.1
!
line con 0
transport input none
stopbits 1
line vty 0 4
password telnet
login
line vty 5 15
password telnet
login
!
end

Problems:
Why all ports down???

Switch#sh ip int b
Interface IP-Address OK? Method Status Prot
ocol
VLAN1 192.168.2.101 YES manual up up

FastEthernet0/1 unassigned YES unset down down

FastEthernet0/2 unassigned YES unset down down

FastEthernet0/3 unassigned YES unset down down

FastEthernet0/4 unassigned YES unset down down

FastEthernet0/5 unassigned YES unset down down

FastEthernet0/6 unassigned YES unset down down

FastEthernet0/7 unassigned YES unset down down

FastEthernet0/8 unassigned YES unset down down

FastEthernet0/9 unassigned YES unset down down

FastEthernet0/10 unassigned YES unset down down

FastEthernet0/11 unassigned YES unset down down

FastEthernet0/12 unassigned YES unset down down

FastEthernet0/13 unassigned YES unset down down

FastEthernet0/14 unassigned YES unset down down

FastEthernet0/15 unassigned YES unset down down

FastEthernet0/16 unassigned YES unset down down

FastEthernet0/17 unassigned YES unset down down

FastEthernet0/18 unassigned YES unset down down

FastEthernet0/19 unassigned YES unset down down

FastEthernet0/20 unassigned YES unset down down

FastEthernet0/21 unassigned YES unset down down

FastEthernet0/22 unassigned YES unset down down

FastEthernet0/23 unassigned YES unset down down

FastEthernet0/24 unassigned YES unset down down

2)Can't ping / telnet from PC to switch
3)The switch port LED where cable is pluged, is OFF
4)On cmd ipconfig /all shows:
Host Name............FOXCONN
Primary Dns Suffix...
Node type............Unknown
IP Routing Enabled...No
WINS Proxy Enabled...No
Ethernet addapter Local Area Connections 3
Media State...........Media disconnected
Description...........Realtek RTL8168
Phisical Address......00-01-6c-1d-f0-6e

What I'm doing wrong , please..

Thank You Sir!

Posted by: Art at January 20, 2010 12:40 PM

Art...

It would appear you're having a layer 1 issue (bad cable) between your PC and your switch. Test your cable or try a known good cable and see if you get lights.

Also...if you want you can enable portfast on your interfaces to make them come up quicker ;)

Jeremy, I can not thank you enough for your CBT Nuggets videos...they are a godsend! Keep up the good work.

Posted by: Adam at January 21, 2010 7:42 PM

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